Shias! can u show your concept of 12 imams in Qur’an,as u claim that our reliable book is only qura’n?

i don’t know why you sunni’s and shias love to separate each others. the infidels did a brilliant job in breaking our religion up like they did to Christianity and Judaism... Show More

Pedram answered youanswer my questionhttp://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=Ak1sE…... Show More

Salam,______________________________________…Shia Verses:yes we do have proof from the Holy Quran:5:55:“Only Allah is your Vali and His Messenger and those who believe, those who keep up prayers and pay the poor-rate while they bow.”we know (based on history and hadith) that “those who keep up prayers and pay the poor-rate while they bow” is Imam Ali (as), as he took his ring off and gave it to the poor person WHILE praying. so it shouldn’t be a question when in our adhan we say “ash hado anna Ali (as) an vali ol Allah”.also:17:71:“(Remember) the day when We will call every people with their Imam;….”38:43:“And We gave him his family and the like of them with them, as a mercy from Us, and as a reminder to those possessed of understanding”5:3:“…This day have I perfected for you your religion and completed My favor on you and chosen for you Islam as a religion; …”(this verse was sent when Mohammad (PBUH) had choosen Imam Ali (as) as the leader of muslims after him when they were coming back from the last hajj)Chapter 76 specially verses 7 and8:“(7)They fulfill vows and fear a day the evil of which shall be spreading far and wide. (8) And they give food out of love for Him to the poor and the orphan and the captive”(this was sent because Imam Ali (as), Fatima (as), Imam Hasan (as) and Imam Hussain (as) had fasted for 3 days but each time when it was time for iftar a person in needed came to their house and asked for help and they gave their food to them)37:83:“And lo! of his persuasion verily was Abraham”(the original word used in the arabic version instead of “persuasion” is “Shia”)28:15:“And he went into the city at a time of unvigilance on the part of its people, so he found therein two men fighting, one being of his party…”(again the original word in the arabic text instead of the word “party” is the word “Shia”)5:12:“And certainly Allah made a covenant with the children of Israel, and We raised up among them TWELVE chieftains…”42:23:“That is of which Allah gives the good news to His servants, (to) those who believe and do good deeds. Say: I do not ask of you any reward for it but love for my near relatives; and whoever earns good, We give him more of good therein; surely Allah is Forgiving, Grateful.”3:61:“But whoever disputes with you in this matter after what has come to you of knowledge, then say: Come let us call our sons and your sons and our women and your women and our near people and your near people, then let us be earnest in prayer, and pray for the curse of Allah on the liars.”(…And when the verse 3:61 was revealed, the Prophet called Ali, Fatimah, al-Hasan, and al-Husain. Then the Prophet said: “O Lord! These are my family members (Ahlil bayt).”Source:Sahih Muslim, Chapter of virtues of companions, section of virtues of Ali, 1980 Edition Pub. in Saudi Arabia, Arabic version, v4, p1871, the end of tradition #32.Sahih al-Tirmidhi, v5, p654Praying times:1. Fajr (24:58; 11:114).2. ‘Isha (24:58; 17:78; 11:114)3. Wusta (2:238; 17:78)______________________________________…please note that these are ONLY a few verse from the holy Quran which backs up the Imamt.now based on YOUR textbooks:______________________________________“There will be twelve commanders (Amir)” … “All of them will be from Quraish.”[1]“The matter (life) will not end, until it is passed by twelve Caliphs” … “All of them will be from Quraish.” [2]“The affairs of people will continue to be conducted (well) as long as they are governed by the twelve men.” [3]“Islam will continue to be triumphant until there have been twelve Caliphs.” [4]“The Islamic religion will continue until the Hour (day of resurrection), having twelve Caliphs for you, all of them will be from Quraish.” [5]“There shall be twelve Caliphs for this community, all of them from Quraish.” [6]“Twelve Caliphs, (like) the number of the Chiefs of Bani Israel.” [7]“There will be after me twelve Amir (Prince/Ruler), all of them from Quraysh.” [8]“This religion remains standing until there are twelve vicegerents over you, all of them agreeable to the nation, all of them from Quraysh.” [9]“Islam will continue to be triumphant until there have been twelve Caliphs” … “All of them are from Quraysh.” [10]“This nation will always remain straight in its affairs, and triumphant against the enemies, till twelve Caliphs will be among them; all of them from Quraysh. Then there will be discord and confusion.” [11]“There will be twelve upright Imams for this nation. Those who try to disgrace them will not succeed; all of them shall be from the Quraysh.” [12]“The affair of the people will continue as long as twelve men rule over them.” [12]“This religion will remain till twelve Imams from Quraysh (will pass), then when they expire the earth will swallow its inhabitants.”[12]“The affair of this nation will always be apparent till the twelve Imams will rise, all of them from the Quraysh.” [12]“There will be Caliphs after me, whose number is like those of the companions of Musa.” [13]References:[1]Sahih al-Bukhari 9:329 (Arabic-English version)[2] Sahih Muslim, Arabic version, Kitab al-Imaarah, 1980 Edition Pub. in Saudi Arabia, v3, p1452, Tradition #5 Sahih Muslim, English version, Chapter DCCLIV (titled: The People are subservient to the Quraish and the Caliphate is the Right of the Quraish), v3, p1009, Tradition #4477.[3] Ibid p1010, Tradition #4478[4] Ibid p1010, Tradition #4480[5] Ibid p1010, Tradition #4483[6] Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v5 p106:[7] Ahmad b. Hanbal, Musnad, v1 p398 and p406. Al-Hakim al-Nisaburi, Mustadrak , 4:501 Al-Dhahabi, Talkhis 4:501. Ibn Hajar al-‘Asqalani, Fath al-Bari 16:339. Ali b. Abu Bakr al-Haythami, Majma’ al-Zawa’id 5:190. Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, Al-Sawa’iq al-Muhriqa, vol 12. Al-Suyuti, Tarikh al-Khulafa, Vol 10. Jami’ al-Saghir 1:75. Al-Muttaqi al-Hindi, Kanz al-‘Ummal, 13:27.[8] Sunan al-Tirmidhi (Arabic) Chapter of Fitan, 2:45 (India) and 4:501 Tradition # 2225 (Egypt)[9] Sunan Abu Dawud (Arabic) 2:421, Kitab al-Mahdi. Sunan Abu Dawud (Arabic) 3:106, Kitab al-Mahdi.[10] Sunan Abu Dawud (Arabic) 2:421, Kitab al-Mahdi. Sunan Abu Dawud (Arabic) 3:106, Kitab al-Mahdi. Ibn Hajar al-‘Asqalani, Fath al-Bari 16:338. Al-Hakim al-Nisaburi, Mustadrak al-Sahihayn 3:167.[11] Muntakhab Kanz al-‘Ummal 5:321. Ibn Kathir, Ta’rikh, 6:249. Al-Suyuti, Tarikh al-Khulafa, Vol 10. Al-Muttaqi al-Hindi, Kanz al-‘Ummal ,13:26. Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, Al-Sawa’iq al-Muhriqa Vol 28.[12] Al-Muttaqi al-Hindi, Kanz al-‘Ummal , 13:27[13] Ibn Kathir, Ta’rikh, 6:248. Al-Muttaqi al-Hindi, Kanz al-‘Ummal, 13:27. Al-Haskani, Shawahid al-Tanzil, 1:455, Tradition No. 626.______________________________________…peace.... Show More

ok, as long as what i learnt about Shi’a from a shi’a lady, she says that the Quraan has been changed by Abu Bakker when he compiled the Quraan. and some say that there was a perticular chapter of the Quraan which is missing. according to them a sheep of Aaesha RA. and these chapters missing and deleted speak bout the imaam.this belief of theirs contridict sharply with the verse of soorah ak hejr, aayeh 9. i dont understand how they fail to trust the promise of Allah. Allaah himself says he will preseve and keep the Quraan safe. from changes. may Allah keep me away from misguidance.there is no aayeh suporting the 12 imams, however they state a hadeeth about the coming of 12 khulafaa. to support their belief. but here on Y!A the shiaa say that the hadeeth is not right. i dont know on what basis my shia teacher classified it to be saheeh, and on what basis the shias here say it aint. May Allah Guide all of them.i’ll reply to pedrams answer and verses…i gotta go n pray maghreb. be ryt bak inshallah5:55has nothing to do with the imaam. absolutely NOTHING to do with Imaam. here pedram himself said, Allah is wali, and then he says ali is wali. he is contridicting his own statement.pls read 17:111.Allah says he has NO wali.-“Remember) the day when We will call every people with their Imam;….”here this doesn’t mean we have to make and follow imaam.this means that,in aakhera we will follow those who we followed in dunyaa. those who followed the cross will follow cross to jahannam. thos who followed some rama and rawan etc will follow them to hell.those who follow man made imams will follow the imaams. and who followed Muhammed will follow Muhammed to jannah.38:43: “And We gave him his family and the like of them with them, as a mercy from Us, and as a reminder to those possessed of understanding”what is this aayeh to do with imaam? 5:3:“…This day have I perfected for you your religion and completed My favor on you and chosen for you Islam as a religion; …”(this verse was sent when Mohammad (PBUH) had choosen Imam Ali (as) as the leader of muslims after him when they were coming back from the last hajj)Muhammed Saw choosing Ali RA? i dont understand. if the rasoolullah would have really selected Ali i dont think, Ali RA would disobey the Rasoolullah. he would have waged a war, against Abu Bakker if the prophet really would ask him to take over. Ali RA wouldn’t act lyk a munaafeq. he would do anything to obey rasoolulah, but we clearly know ali RA did nothing but accepted Abu Bakker as the khaleefa.and againg this has nothing to do with imaam.Chapter 76 specially verses 7 and8:“(7)They fulfill vows and fear a day the evil of which shall be spreading far and wide. (8) And they give food out of love for Him to the poor and the orphan and the captive”(this was sent because Imam Ali (as), Fatima (as), Imam Hasan (as) and Imam Hussain (as) had fasted for 3 days but each time when it was time for iftar a person in needed came to their house and asked for help and they gave their food to them) this has absolutely NOTHING to do with imam.37:83:“And lo! of his persuasion verily was Abraham”(the original word used in the arabic version instead of “persuasion” is “Shia”)again nothing to do with imam.28:15:“And he went into the city at a time of unvigilance on the part of its people, so he found therein two men fighting, one being of his party…”(again the original word in the arabic text instead of the word “party” is the word “Shia”)nothing to do with imam.5:12:“And certainly Allah made a covenant with the children of Israel, and We raised up among them TWELVE chieftains…”this is the 12 cheifs of banee isreal!!!! from which angle is this related to 12 imam. prophet yaqoob(also called isreal) had 12 kids. and desendents of each son grew to be 12 tribes. these 12 are among the banee isreal, but muslims aren’t among banee isreal. muslims are frm banee ismaeel.42:23:“That is of which Allah gives the good news to His servants, (to) those who believe and do good deeds. Say: I do not ask of you any reward for it but love for my near relatives; and whoever earns good, We give him more of good therein; surely Allah is Forgiving, Grateful.”nothing to do with imaam.3:61:“But whoever disputes with you in this matter after what has come to you of knowledge, then say: Come let us call our sons and your sons and our women and your women and our near people and your near people, then let us be earnest in prayer, and pray for the curse of Allah on the liars.”(…And when the verse 3:61 was revealed, the Prophet called Ali, Fatimah, al-Hasan, and al-Husain. Then the Prophet said: “O Lord! These are my family members (Ahlil bayt).”what is this verse to do with imaam???of all the verse he mentioned hardly any of them spoke about imaams. the word shia means a part/ section. so what the big deal if the word shia is in the Quraan??? i mean we sunnis say we are MUSLIM but shias make a point to say we are SHIA MUSLIM. and no where in the Qura’an has Allah mentioned shia muslim, but you can see again and again Allah says, muslim.... Show More

The word ‘Imam’ is used 12 times in the Holy Qur’an, with different meanings:1- إِنَّا نَحنُ نُحيِ المَوتى‏ وَ نَكتُبُ ما قَدَّمُوا وَ آثارَهُم وَ كُلَّ شَيْ‏ءٍ أَحصَيناهُ في‏ إِمامٍ مُبينٍ (یس – 12)2- وَ إِذِ ابتَلى‏ إِبراهيمَ رَبُّهُ بِكَلِماتٍ فَأَتَمَّهُنَّ قالَ إِنِّي جاعِلُكَ لِلنَّاسِ إِماماً قالَ وَ مِن ذُرِّيَّتي‏ قالَ لا يَنالُ عَهدِي الظَّالِمينَ (البقره – 124)3- أَ فَمَن كانَ عَلى‏ بَيِّنَةٍ مِن رَبِّهِ وَ يَتلُوهُ شاهِدٌ مِنهُ وَ مِن قَبلِهِ كِتابُ مُوسى‏ إِماماً وَ رَحمَةً أُولئِكَ يُؤمِنُونَ بِهِ وَ مَن يَكفُر بِهِ مِنَ الأَحزابِ فَالنَّارُ مَوعِدُهُ فَلا تَكُ في‏ مِريَةٍ مِنهُ إِنَّهُ الحَقُّ مِن رَبِّكَ وَ لكِنَّ أَكثَرَ النَّاسِ لا يُؤمِنُونَ (هود – 17) 4- وَ الَّذينَ يَقُولُونَ رَبَّنا هَب لَنا مِن أَزواجِنا وَ ذُرِّيَّاتِنا قُرَّةَ أَعيُنٍ وَ اجعَلنا لِلمُتَّقينَ إِماماً (الفرقان – 74)5- وَ مِن قَبلِهِ كِتابُ مُوسى‏ إِماماً وَ رَحمَةً وَ هذا كِتابٌ مُصَدِّقٌ لِساناً عَرَبِيًّا لِيُنذِرَ الَّذينَ ظَلَمُوا وَ بُشرى‏ لِلمُحسِنينَ (الأحقاف – 12)6- وَ إِن نَكَثُوا أَيمانَهُم مِن بَعدِ عَهدِهِم وَ طَعَنُوا في‏ دينِكُم فَقاتِلُوا أَئِمَّةَ الكُفرِ إِنَّهُم لا أَيمانَ لَهُم لَعَلَّهُم يَنتَهُونَ (التوبه – 12)7- وَ جَعَلناهُم أَئِمَّةً يَهدُونَ بِأَمرِنا وَ أَوحَينا إِلَيهِم فِعلَ الخَيراتِ وَ إِقامَ الصَّلاةِ وَ إيتاءَ الزَّكاةِ وَ كانُوا لَنا عابِدينَ (الأنبیاء – 73)8- وَ نُريدُ أَن نَمُنَّ عَلَى الَّذينَ استُضعِفُوا فِي الأَرضِ وَ نَجعَلَهُم أَئِمَّةً وَ نَجعَلَهُمُ الوارِثينَ (القصص – 5)9- وَ جَعَلناهُم أَئِمَّةً يَدعُونَ إِلَى النَّارِ وَ يَومَ القِيامَةِ لا يُنصَرُونَ (القصص – 41) 10- وَ جَعَلنا مِنهُم أَئِمَّةً يَهدُونَ بِأَمرِنا لَمَّا صَبَرُوا وَ كانُوا بِآياتِنا يُوقِنُونَ (السجده – 24)11- يَومَ نَدعُوا كُلَّ أُناسٍ بِإِمامِهِم فَمَن أُوتِيَ كِتابَهُ بِيَمينِهِ فَأُولئِكَ يَقرَؤُنَ كِتابَهُم وَ لا يُظلَمُونَ فَتيلاً (الأسراء – 71)12- بَل يُريدُ الإِنسانُ لِيَفجُرَ أَمامَهُ (القیامة – 5)... Show More

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Salam brother,the verses have already been posted.There are smaller things that can direct you to the concept of the 12 Imams.the word Imam (or imamate) is mentioned 12 times in the Quran. (it can’t be a conincidence because the word ‘day’ is mentioned 365 times, and so on.Our last imam, went in hiding in the year 216 i believe, and there is only one ayah in the Quran that is 216, and it is when Nabi Ibrahim (AS) asks Allah how can one live after death? and Allah shows him by telling him to cut 4 birds and put it on 4 mountains, and he brought them back to life. Our last Imam (who is currently alive) sent 4 letters.There are many more. If you would like legitimate ayats, and more on this, contact me.... Show More